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+1 -2hususları söylemek istiyorum panpalar. aslında tanrı inancına sahip bazı kimselerin aklına geldiğinde de kafasını karıştıran konular.Tümünü Göster
ben şu konuları ele alıcam:
1) tanrı bizi neden yarattı? böyle bir gereksinimi var mıydı?
2) benlik nedir nereden gelir?
3) yaratmak nedir? i̇nsanlar tarafından olmayan birşey var edilebilir mi?
4) evrim nedir? var mıdır? gerçek midir, yalan mıdır?
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1) tanrı bizi neden yarattı? böyle bir gereksinimi var mıdır?
bu soruyu cevaplamak için öncelikle tanrı kavrdıbının anlaşılması gerekir. tanrı; taraf tutmaz, adaletlidir, nötr davranır, herşeyden bağımsızdır, sonsuz bilgi ve kudret sahibidir, somut olarak düşünülemez çünkü diğer var olan herşeyden maddi olarak bağımsızdır...
burada ateist panpaların sevmediği temel konu adaletsizlik ve nötr olmama konularıdır.
olaylara bakarken mikro boyuttan çıkıp makro boyutta baktığımızda nötr olduğunu görürüz. ama bunu yapabilmek için kesinlikle olaylara objektif bakılmalı. altını çizerek söylüyorum. objektif bakılmalıdır.
aslında bu mevzuyu adaletle destekleyebiliriz. adaletsizlik varsa nötr olmak söz konusu değildir. şimdi bir insanının dünyadaki yaptığı iyilik ve kötülüklere bakıldığında ve yine dünyada gördüğü iyilik ve kötülükleri topladığımızda aynı oranda olmadığını görürüz. peki tanrı adaletliyse neden herkes eşit değil? aslında bir eşitlik sözkonusudur. nasıl? gelen bütün semavi dinlere bakıldığında hep ölümden sonra yaşamla alakalı birşeyler tasvir edilmiştir. cennet ve cehennem. peki cennet cehennem var diye düşünsek o zaman cennete gidenler sizce daha da avantajlı değil mi? ya da aynı şekilde cehenneme gidenlerin dezavantajlı değil mi? açık ve net cevap veriyorum: hayir. neden hayır? çünkü tanrı insanı bu konuda kesin bir dille -hangi döneme bakılırsa bakılsın yine bu görülecektir- açıklamıştır. tanrının katı bir şekilde kestirip attığını düşünebilirsiniz ama insanlar kör davranıyor buna emin olun. peki neden daha fazla acı veya zevk vardır.(burada şunu dabelirtmek isterim: cennete veya cehenneme gitmiş değilim, ama tasvir ve anlatımlara göre ben bunu çıkardım.) orada herşey duygusal derinliklerde yaşanır. nasıl ki rüyada bazı şeyler manasız olsa da bizi çok etkiler. hatta bazen 1 hafta etkisinde kalırız. i̇şte rüya anında gördüklerimizi kör uzuvlarımızla hissetmeyiz. yani bir bakıma uzuvlarımızın algıladığı kadarıyla. uzuvla alakalı bilgi vermek gerekirse; küçükken insanlara herşey daha tatlı gelir. küçükken yediğiniz karpuzun tadını unutamazsınız. aynı şekilde kokuların. peki şimdi neden böyle az haz veriyor. çünkü bu zaman süreci içerisinde bir sürü sinir hücresi kaybettik gerek beyin gerekse uzuv olarak. kaç kez dilimizi çay içerken haşladık. aynı zamanda bunun hormonal dolayısıyla duygusal bir boyutu da vardır. çocuklar duygusaldır ve aynı şekilde duygusal insanların hisleri daha kuvvetlidir. mesela şairler: çiçeği kokladıklarında hissettikleri normal insanlara göre daha derindir.
umarım bu his mevzuyu anlatabilmişimdir. i̇şte bunu kat be katı cennet ve cehennemde hissedilir. duymuşsunuzdur beynimizi ahiret aleminde %100 oranında kullanabileceğimizi.
şimdi gelelim tanrı bizi neden yarattı konusuna. evet tanrının bize ihtiyacı yok. i̇badet edelim diye mi yaratıldık? evet. peki mevzunun altında yatan asıl sebep bu mudur? hayır. peki nedir?
tanrının çeşitli sıfatları vardır. i̇slam dininde bunların biri de subuti sıfatlardan(yani tek allahın kendi zatında olmayan sıfat manasına gelir. yani bir nebze de yarattığı varlıklara vermiştir.) i̇rade sıfatı.
peki irade nedir? i̇rade karar vermektir, bilinen bilgileri birbiriyle tartmak mülahaza etmektir(buna biz kendimiz için "düşünmek" fiilini vermişiz.), istemektir...
i̇şte burada "istemek!!!" çok önemlidir. yani bilinmeyen bir hazine neden bilinmek ister? çünkü ister. buradaki asıl mevzu istemektir. tanrı bizi yaratmayı istemiştir, arzu etmiştir ve kendi kudretiyle yaratmıştır. neden istemiştir? bunu ben de bilmiyorum. bilemezsiniz zaten. sonsuz bilgi sahibi değilseniz bilemezsiniz.
i̇şte istediği için aslında böyle bir gereksinimi de yoktur. sonsuz bilgi, sonsuz kudret ve herşeyden bağımsız bir irade istediği şeyi yaratır vücut eder. neden diye sorgulanması mantıksız kaçar. yani sebebi bilinemez.
bunlar benin düşüncem.i̇steyen adam haklı beyler der. i̇steyen saçmalamış der.
i̇steğinize göre diğer konulara değineceğim
edit:panpalar özet geçemiyorum en sade hali. okuyun yararım hepinizi.
ulan önyargısız davranamaz mısınız siz ya
bu mevzuyu kapatıyorum giblenmediğim için
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+1ateistim. o soruların soruların hiçbiri gibimde değil http://29.media.tumblr.co...06jkzd721qaz0qto1_500.jpg
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0@24 olm Zaten herşey toprakla başlamadımı mk..
evrim Toprakla başladı sonra deniz sonra balıklar sonra falanda filan mk..
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0@24 ulan oradaki bahsedilen toprak evrimin son aşamasına toprak sayesinde, toprağın üzerindeki besinler sayesinde geldik desem hemen inanırsınız dimi. amk ayık olun ya.( bu arada bahsedilen toprak konusunun gerçekten evrimle alakalı olup olmadığını bilmiyorum. misal vermek için söyledim)
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0yıl olmuş 2011 hala maymunlar geldiğini sananlar var
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0akşam 11 de turnuva beyler
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0ateist olmamın sebebi:
topraktan yaratılma olma olasılığımın olduğunu düşünmüyorum.
uçan atlara, suya dönüşen şaraplara ya da ikiye ayrılan denizlere ve aylara inanmıyorum.
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0@3 yaratılan herşeyin yaratma kabiliyeti olduğunu mu söylüyorsun. sana tek şey söylüyorum. eline bir kağıt ve kalem al ve şunu yap: bildiğin varliklarla alakası olmayan bir şey çiz oraya. hiçbirşeye benzetilemeyecek bir şey. sıfırdan. en kötü o tuttuğun kalem dünyaya ait panpam
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0evrim ispatlanmış bişey zaten beyler.
evrim karşıtı yobazlar darvinin kaç asır önce söylediği kuramları sayıp sayıp evrim yok diyorlar
amk ya o zamanki teknolojiyle incelendiğinde adam o kadartını bulmuş (darvin) ama şimdi modern bilimle incelendiğinde evrim var evet ispatlandı da. ayıktınız mı ? okuyun araştırın biraz. kimin yazdığı nerden geldiği belli olmayan kitaplara inanmayın yobazlık yapmayın efendi olun. -
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0@29 yok panpa önce suda sonra toprağa.
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0@30 ne diyon sen yarram. sorsak 5 kitap okumamıştır evrimle ilgili. evrim karşıtı hiç kitap okumamıştır zaten. gelmiş burda ayık olun falan. sana iki soru soriim bana cevabını getir ben de inanim olur mu?
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0@32 sor panpa.
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0@33 panpa nasıl oluyor da hiç değişmeyen genler zmanla hemde fiziksel şartlara göre değişiyor. yok o fiziksel şartları sağlayan varlıklar hayatta kalıyor dersen, peki nasıl oluyor da bu gen kombinasyonu rast geliyor. o zaman dünyada daha fazla çeşitlilikte canlı olması gerekmez miydi şuana göre. bir dişi bir erkek bi birey düşün ve bunlardan birinin geni atıyorum mutasyonla değişti. farklı bir gen kombinasyonu oluştu ve bu birey normal diğer cins bireyle çiftleşti. kısır olmayan ve o fiziksel şartların koşullarına dayanabilen bir bireyin olma ihtimali nedir? ve bunu aminoasitlere, proteinlere, genlere, kromozomlara ve şuanki canlı çeşitliliğine göre kıyaslarsak şuanın böyle ahenkli olma olasılığı nedir? herşey evrim şu rastgele evrim sayesinde olduysa bu ahengin olma ihtimali yüksek olsa gerek. bir de elinde sadece 1 şansı varken onu tutturabilme olasılığı cabası. onu katmaya gerek bile yok? nasıl oluyor haa nasıl oluyor
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0@34 pardon panpa görmemişim yazıyom bekle.
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0bi ara okur yazarım
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burda tek hesabı 2 kişi kullansak sorun olurmu aga
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